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welcome back everybody to another fantastic episode of legends, loot and lore, the, the best dnd podcast this side of the hackensack river.
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No, I don't know at least make it the hudson people actually know what that is.
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Yeah, what's funny.
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I don't know the saddle river.
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No, I don't know.
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Uh, at least make it the hudson, the hudson people actually know what that is.
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Yeah, what's funny?
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I don't know, the saddle river maybe, I don't know, like what, what we'd be there's a saddle river.
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Is that why the town is named saddle river?
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yeah, yeah, there is the saddle river.
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As a matter of fact, who?
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Knew, learn something new every day that's your geography lesson for your body of water.
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I don't know.
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Whatever this.
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Hopefully that's a Jeopardy question anyway, wow, it comes up in trivia.
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Anita and I are ready that's right, absolutely now you know.
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So, anyway, joining us in in studio.
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That's the air quotes of the studio, aka the dining room, aka the dining room, aka our dnd playroom studio, whatever you, whatever you want to call it.
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We have a very special guest joining us today jocelyn hi, jocelyn, hello, how are you good?
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So you none of you probably know who jocelyn is, but you have definitely heard of jocelyn, because all of the music composed for the legends, loot and Lore podcast was done by Jocelyn, our niece, by the way.
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Yeah, the incredibly talented artist, musician.
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What else?
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I think that's it.
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That's it.
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Artist artist and musician Fantastic, all-around cool person.
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Yes, absolutely so.
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Thank you for joining us.
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Yeah, this is very exciting.
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I'm excited.
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So tell us so what actually brings you to the fine state of new jersey I'm here to go to a music festival yeah they actually have a dnd panel at the festival.
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Oh, see what I would have see.
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We would have enjoyed that we would have stood out like sore thumbs I know right, it is today.
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if you still want to go, oh, excellent.
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Fantastic, find everything you own that's black.
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Yeah, I have to work on that.
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Yeah, I have to work on that, but anyway, so we're so happy to have you here, so tell us a little bit about your background, your education and some of the things that you've've worked on beyond just the the fantastic music for our podcast so I've studied video game and movie composition at berkeley in boston awesome and movie composition at Berkeley in Boston Awesome.
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And since then I've worked on a game called Wizard Cats, doing sound effects for that, which is super fun.
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It is partially D&D inspired in the classes in the game and so I'm doing a lot of spell sound effects in that, which is really cool to do.
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And right now I can't tell you the name of the game that I'm working on because it's not out yet, but I'm doing music for this one oh awesome, oh very exciting, yeah, so so how does one because I this is, I'm just fascinated by this so how does one create a, a spell casting sound effect like what, how, what, what does that actually entail?
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well, thinking about what element the spell will be and what it will be looking like in game, whether it will have particles or if it's a cone or ray shape and then usually the sounds will have three levels to it, like the high frequencies, middle frequencies and low frequencies and think about how you would make each one.
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There'll be a low boom and then the body of the spell and then maybe some little sparks or particles on top.
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Fascinating.
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This is things you never think about, things you never think about when you play games, and when you play video games and things like that, you never think about how much actually goes into creating each one of those effects.
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That's fascinating, so what inspired you to study this and get into it?
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I just have always loved video game soundtracks.
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One of my first memories of playing video games was the Trine game series, and that was the first album that I bought the soundtrack for that game, because I loved it so much.
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Oh, very cool, Awesome, wow, so.
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So I'm trying to think about what, where I want to go with this.
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Do you have any questions, dear?
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Okay, I do.
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Actually, that was a very blank look and then all of a sudden, I realized I do have a question.
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I'm curious about how you went from.
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You've always been super artistic.
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We still have a picture of Lando on our refrigerator that you did years and years ago.
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How did you go from that to wanting to do music composition?
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Well, my mom has taught me piano since I was young and, like dad, does sound mixing, that type of thing.
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So there's a lot of music in our house and so I took a lot of piano lessons.
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And then one of the last out-of-our-house teachers that I had mentioned that he went to Berkeley and that they had a course for video game composition.
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So that got me interested and I had always for a while been doing writing out the scores from video game soundtracks, just like piano versions of them for myself to play.
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And from there it went from transcribing scores to trying to write my own.
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And then I'm like, oh, this is a lot of fun.
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I like this, that's awesome, that's really cool.
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so where do you, where do you source like, how do you so, how do you come up with like the sound effect?
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So I know, so there's, like you said, high, mid, low, but like, where do you source, like, like, how do you like create that, that sound?
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well, you can't think of it literally unless you have like a magic wand, but um.
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So for like thinking, there's a lot of whoosh sound effects that you use.
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So for that, for example, I'll like swing around a sock or a ruler so it makes that noise, and for like the low if you think of the earth spell with the rumbling rocks and earth moving we'll fill up a box with either like walnuts or acorns or small rocks from outside and like move that around to record that sound.
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That's super cool.
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I love how like actually physical it still is Right, you know like as high tech as everything is like you're still literally like filling a box with stuff.
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Oh yeah, that's really cool.
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The latest thing I just did.
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I had to record footsteps in the woodland environment, so I went outside and I had a shovel and I filled up a cardboard box with dirt and leaves and then I was marching around like in my office, walking through the box.
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It looked really funny, that's amazing, that's great box, it looked really funny.
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That's amazing, that's great it reminds me a lot of like, like foley artists.
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Yeah, definitely doing doing all that work, because that that's been that's always probably my most like.
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The thing that I'm most interested when it comes to movies are the foley artists and and creating all that effect.
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So it's interesting to see that it's.
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It's very, very similar in creating sound effects for video games and things like that.
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That is super cool.
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So this is a D&D podcast.
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So what has been your experience either playing D&D or similar games, Because I know you and your family play a million different games.
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So what are some of your favorite?
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So let's see.
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How have you played D&D first of all.
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I have played just a few sessions, so I am a beginner.
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I'm the target audience for the podcast.
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Perfect, yes, me too.
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So what is your character or characters, what have they been usually?
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Well, the first time, I think, I was a cleric.
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And then I really want to do a bard character, because you know music.
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Yes, of course.
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Well, that makes perfect sense If I play again.
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I will do that.
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Clerics are always fascinating.
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Like, what about?
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Like a druid?
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Like I could see you as a druid like type character.
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So they're.
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It's just like clerics are fantastic as as healers and things like that um, very, very in touch with nature and and things.
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So so I could, I could totally see that yeah what's your so what type of adventure did you play?
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Was it?
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Was it a standard dnd adventure?
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was like a homebrew it was one of the standard ones from the books.
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Yeah, oh cool.
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Do you remember which one it was?
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I don't anymore uh okay, it's been a while, yeah, yeah nice, we've been playing a lot of um mage night, and then I recently got into frosthaven, which is also like super involved really yeah, cool are these?
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are these mainly like card games or what?
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What are the?
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What are the games like?
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Um, Frosthaven is more role play based.
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It is a tabletop and with lots of little pieces that I spent like all Christmas day punching out and organizing and bags and all that type of.
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Thing.
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But it does have um a storyline that it's meant to span for, I think I heard someone say that they've played it for a year.
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Wow, so it is very long and you can it's kind of choose your own adventure, so you can shape your story as you go along it is based on.
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It's like a second version of gloomhaven, if you've heard of that.
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so, yeah, okay, oh, very cool, yeah, excellent, yeah, I mean, there's it was.
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It was so interesting when, when we went, when katherine and I went, pax Unplugged and saw there was just so many tabletop games and card games and just all sorts of different things, like Varia I'm thinking about that one that we picked up, which I still need to play James, if you're listening which he's probably not which he will be in about three weeks, after we shame him into listening exactly.
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He bought it as well.
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So we need to, we need to play, and that's a card game with again similar like classes, like like dnd and things like that.
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So we've got to play that one.
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And then the pirate game.
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Oh yeah, I've got, I gotta, I gotta break that one out.
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It's tough because we don't have that many people to play with.
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So, like you've got kind of like a built-in like game table game of four or so.
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And there is a board game cafe near my house too.
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Oh, that's cool.
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We went there in February, I think it was.
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They did a demonstration of Wormspan, which is like Wingspan, but it's dragon themed instead, and that was so, oh, very cool yeah yeah, there's.
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The one thing that I find interesting around here is there's a group they started down in the philadelphia area and it's called dungeons and drafts and what they do is they?
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they play at local, uh, like micro breweries and they they come in like like dms come in and they have like kind of their pre-made, like a lot of its homebrew games and and they come in and people come into the um the breweries and play, play that which is a lot of fun, which I think is really cool.
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Try to get them into gear.
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Block, I know well.
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Well, they're just moving into northern New Jersey.
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They've been in the Philly south central kind of area of New Jersey but they were just starting to expand up into northern New Jersey.
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So, yeah, it would be great to have them up local in Waldwick.
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Absolutely, that would be a lot of fun, because I know they were now we're getting off on a tangent, but they had advertised that they were looking for dms up in northern New Jersey.
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I actually sent it to James because I thought that might be something he would be interested in yeah but yeah, so so let's talk about since, since it is our podcast, let's talk about our podcast and let's talk about the music specific to that you created for for our podcast.
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So we have our, our intro music.
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So so talk a little bit about what was your, what was your inspiration for for creating the music for this podcast.
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I know I gave you some general ideas, but kind of what was, what was your thought process going into it and creating the music for this show?
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Yeah, so I remember you said that you liked the piece that I did called Tales of Adventure, and that one's slightly more pirate themed but, I, took the general idea from it.
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It's kind of folky, folk instruments in there.
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And then for the podcast I wanted to have it be a little more, um, high energy, because it's it's shorter, it needs to say more quicker yes so I went with a more video game feel to that more orchestral in there yes, it's fantastic.
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So I want to see if we've got wait, love it, we got.
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We got all these like the little, the little inter interstitial pieces for in between, yeah, segments of the podcast, and there's also I dig this one.
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Oh, yeah, love it that one's a little bit longer, so that one that one's always a good one.
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That's like.
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That's usually the one that I use when we, when we start from our intro and go into like the, the heart of the, the episode, and things like that.
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And we've got the outro as well that I always use.
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And then you did the voiceover yes for the, for the intro with the intro music Catherine yeah.
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Yeah, For a long time I was just the voice of this podcast and then, Joe had to get married.
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He was not married yet.
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He got engaged, I know, but he had to get married.
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So he has to spend time planning a wedding.
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That's right and that's how I came to.
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He's dead to me.
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Kidding Joe Love you.
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Noding Joe Love you, no, but yeah, so now you've become the new co-host of.
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Yeah, I'm the new Joe.
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Yeah, joe 2.0?
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Yes, interesting, better looking.
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Thank you, you're welcome.
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Oh, my goodness.
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So let's talk about this, jocelyn.
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What about your, your music that you, you create?
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So, beyond all the all the the work that you're doing on the video games, talk about, talk about your music, because I, I love listening to your music and you, you've been on curated spotify playlists, so so, so, tell us, tell us about your music.
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And you've been on curated Spotify playlists, so tell us about your music and all that.
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Yeah, thank you.
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So I most recently released an album I think it was in February of the music I had worked on all of last year.
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I do like to write my own, just ideas that I have, fantasy scenes.
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It'll usually start with a idea for a scene because, you know, I like to do art, like visual art as well so I'll have that in my mind while I'm writing and then try to fit both together and see where it goes interesting.
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So what's so?
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What are some of your inspirations?
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For?
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I mean beyond the art itself.
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So where do you draw inspiration from?
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A lot from nature because there's the woods behind our house, so that always makes me feel like I'm in a fantasy story.
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And then books that I read too, and other games, definitely Nice yeah.
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So what are you reading lately?
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anything good I recently reread the whole um dragon slipper series.
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It's a um middle grade fantasy, but I just it's very nostalgic for me because that was one that I really loved and I found it again.
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Yeah, oh, very cool.
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What about you, dear?
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What about?
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me what you reading A book called how to Kill Men and Get Away With it.
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Okay, this is not a true crime podcast.
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It's not a true crime book, either it's just a novel.
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That'd be good.
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If you're like a murder hobo in a D&D campaign, maybe you're a rogue sneaking around trying to to kill.
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Kill men who have wronged you maybe.
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Well then I you know.
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Then it goes to, to my buffy, the vampire slayer love, and I become a vengeance demon, like on yonka yeah, oh my, so tell me about this.
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So the vengeance demon yeah, oh yeah.
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That's what anya's whole story arc was.
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She came in as a vengeance demon.
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Um Cordelia made a wish and Anya was the one who fulfilled it, but then I forget exactly how.
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She ended up being kind of like banished to be a teenage girl, but she eventually becomes a Scooby gang member.
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Right, interesting, all right.
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So so how much, jocelyn, have you studied the, the bard class?
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What do you, what do you know about the bard class like other than it being a musician?
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Like what?
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They're kind of chaotic okay cool, I don't know totally, yeah, so they have a lot of personality.
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They really do Like I'm, I I dig a bard, like it's so funny, like I like cause they've got like vicious mockery and some really good kind of good spells in there, that that that they can cast, and like they're, they're high on charisma, and I just like I remember I did.
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Well, we remember I did what was that?
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We did that one shot and I did Sir Edward Van Halen yes, the Bard, it was just quoting music lyrics.
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I love that.
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Yeah, it was just I was like why not?
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And then what was the?
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Oh, we were playing.
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I was DMing Strixhaven for a little while and we had a battle of the bands.
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Oh, that's right.
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I think Michael's character was the bard, if I recall correctly, and he led the band in the the battle of the bands.
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That was interesting.
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Has Joe ever played a bard?
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I don't, I don't believe Joe has played a bard.
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He's always singing, he's always quoting music lyrics and I think he's always talking about creating a bard, but has never actually played.
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Played the bard Now.
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Did you, jocelynelyn?
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Did you watch the dnd movie?
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oh yeah okay, so so obviously chris pine's character, a fantastic bard character like I, I think he's got the, he's got kind of the good swagger for for like playing a charismatic bard, like I don't think I can.
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I couldn't pull off being a bard in regular life.
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So I'm just not that, I don't know, I'm not musically inclined.
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My mother used to bribe me to practice.
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She used to have to pay me to practice the piano.
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It got that bad, like I just did not want to do it and so she would actually pay me money to to sit down and practice.
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So she was.
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She was not only paying for the piano lessons, but then having to pay me to also practice for the piano lessons.
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Yeah, I mean, I haven't thought about it, but I guess your musical for like multiple generations, right Cause your grandmother is, and your mom and your dad.
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So yeah, and my brother.
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Yeah, yeah, that's right, cause your brother played violin.
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Yeah, he's still he's.
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He got into choir right now.
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He's all into singing at the moment.
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Yeah, that's awesome.
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That's fantastic, see, it's awesome.
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That's fantastic.
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See, it's just what happened to you.
